Episode 23: Kicking Off June with Hot Topics

Angela Haas (00:17)
Welcome to episode 23. I'm Angela Haas and I'm here with my co-host Cassie Newell. And this month, new month, we're kicking off summer by talking about some hot topics. For this episode, we're just going to talk a little bit about what to expect this month Cassie, I mean originally,

I was thinking we could talk about so many authors that I've encountered, say they wrote one book and just quit. And I know a few friends who have done that. They wrote a book, it came out, it did well, and then they just stopped. Got too discouraged and they just stopped. And I just was like, gosh, why do people quit? Now, I have definitely thought about like...

quitting because it was just like too hard or too stressful, too much work, too much to balance with your personal life. I don't know, why do you think some authors get too discouraged after one book and then just decide it's not for me?

Cassie Newell (01:04)
Right?

Well, I think it can be a multitude of different reasons. I think too, sometimes you focus on that one goal and you don't know what the next goal should be, or you don't have any baseline of your why of why you're doing it outside of that one book. And so it's really hard to see beyond that. And if you don't have like this huge success with book one, which

Angela Haas (01:27)
Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Cassie Newell (01:41)
I mean, in all honesty is really rare. It's really rare because we all dream, right? Like sitting behind the typewriter in the old days and the book comes out and it's a shining success and all this. That's not really reality. know, unless you have a big marketing machine behind you and other things that are propelling that you want to put your best foot forward, of course, but you're also learning to at the same stage. So I think sometimes

Angela Haas (01:48)
Right.

you

Yeah.

Cassie Newell (02:10)
You know, not even having the support around you too is really difficult. You need your cheerleaders, you need community. I think it's really important. You need to have a really good sense of self of why you're doing it and what the next iteration will be

in order to rinse and repeat, right? All the time. And it gets tiresome.

Angela Haas (02:30)
Yeah.

Cassie Newell (02:33)
Right? mean, I've thought

Angela Haas (02:34)
Yeah.

Cassie Newell (02:35)
about it too. I had a really hard time from book one to two and I was all over the place. and it took a while for that one to come out. So I don't know. What do you, I mean, what do you feel like? know you talked about that with me a little bit too for yourself.

Angela Haas (02:49)
Mm hmm. Yeah,

I, I think because it was kind of grueling for me to get through all the editing and finishing of book one. And at the time, I was just trying to get that book out. And then I was like, it's out. And my friends and family bought it. And you're on kind of a high because you're seeing it sell. And then you wake up a week later and like, you mean, actually,

have to market. okay. You know, so I think that's tough because then, we've talked about before, that advice starts coming at you, you need to write more, you need to market more. And then it's trying to find a balance of like how to organize your time in your day. And, but I think as I've gone forward, I feel like sometimes just when I figure something out, it changes.

or there's a new rule or there's a new fight or something. And I was talking about this the other day where just like I'm on my fourth book now doing my second audio book and I feel like, okay, I'm writing pretty smoothly. I'm writing faster. And then all of sudden there's all this stuff on threads about how authors are getting bad reviews or negative reviews because reviewers think and

dash is a sign that you wrote your entire book with AI. And I was like, for a second, I got really deflated because I'm thinking, okay, how are we supposed to navigate all this? Because I that there have been dashes.

Cassie Newell (04:03)
Mm.

some all

the time because I love long pauses that that are like hanging up to the neck. I mean, that's how I speak even. I'm sure my editor is like, stop it. I mean, she does take out quite a few, but I love a good dash along, not the end dash, the em dash. I love them.

Angela Haas (04:19)
Great! Yes.

Right.

Right.

Yes, the long

one. For some reason, people who've, I guess, written books in AI, that's a sign. Well, who knows? Who knows who decides this rule? Who knows who is the first one to say, I've decided that em dash is a sign that a book has been written with AI. And there's such backlash if you use AI at all. I mean, just in certain author circles.

then people have taken to leave one star reviews because they're seeing a lot of em dashes. then so it's like, gosh, I just actually, I just figured out when to use them properly through my, my copy editor, like learning from her edits. And now I'm like, well, I guess I'm just taking them out. Like I'm putting in a comma and I figure if she puts them back in, then I'm just saying, you know what? But then

Cassie Newell (05:28)
I love them.

Angela Haas (05:29)
I know, and then I was like, why? I mean, they are in Lord of the Rings. They're in so much literature. Right, it's grammar. But, yeah.

Cassie Newell (05:33)
Mm Well, they have a purpose. They have a grammatical purpose. Yeah, I think I think we have to

talk about with AI. Where's the line between innovation and reader trust? You know, so I feel like, you know, when people get on a bandwagon, they'll find it whether it's really solid or not. I mean, that's pretty shaky. And I think as a

Angela Haas (05:44)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Cassie Newell (05:58)
as a creative ourselves, to me, I love the innovation of AI. I love it for research purposes. It's way faster than me just Googling and searching all kinds of things. I think you just have to take things as a grain of salt. mean, even in the design space, you use AI in Photoshop.

Angela Haas (06:09)
Right.

Cassie Newell (06:19)
to help you with cutting out images and selecting and merging and different tools. I think you have to separate the innovation side of it to overtaking the creative person out of it. ⁓ I mean, it's a very blow up topic around audio books right now and narrators. And I have my certain opinions about that because I'm a creative. I want my creatives. I like intonation. I like the creative choices.

Angela Haas (06:31)
Right. yeah.

Cassie Newell (06:47)
narrators make and things like that, that I don't, I don't feel comfortable when I hear those sounds right now from AI voices.

So for me, I'm not choosing that, but, I just think, you know, when people get on a bag, again, about an em dash, a dog, whatever it is, because we've talked about that before too, I think that you just have to clear the noise that is noise.

Angela Haas (06:59)
Yeah. ⁓ gosh. The duh.

Cassie Newell (07:14)
And if it does

Angela Haas (07:14)
Mm-hmm.

Cassie Newell (07:15)
impact you in some form of fashion, the best thing you can do is kind of step back from it, put on a good PR hat for yourself, because at the end of the day, it's your business and your livelihood if you continue to want to be a creator as an author. don't think, for me, I just don't like the drama of that stuff. So I don't buy into it and I separate myself.

Angela Haas (07:38)
Right.

Cassie Newell (07:41)
There's one key difference for me is that a lot of people won't read their reviews. I totally read my reviews. ⁓ So I think you just have to know for yourself how to protect yourself in the way that you need to protect yourself and try not to let those things dictate what you're doing. ⁓ As best as you can.

Angela Haas (07:47)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Yeah.

Cassie Newell (08:05)
It's

I started out with one specific editing software and now I rarely touch it. I go to the complete opposite editing software that was a little bit more archaic, but then they upped a lot of their reports and their processes and I just, gravitate. It's what I wanted. That's what I needed for me. and it's so weird cause

I was

so the other way on this. So it's, you know, you have to kind of ebb and flow and have some flexibility because things do change. ⁓ You know, and the industry does, especially for indies, if you're trying to stay ahead and trying to get in your own lane or trying to be with a particular flow and culture that's booming, if that's your goal, you need to be flexible as much as possible.

Angela Haas (08:36)
Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Cassie Newell (08:55)
Right? So, I don't know.

Angela Haas (08:57)
Yeah,

I think it's just my personality that once I feel like I learned something or and I have a plan to use that thing or I'm just going forward with my plan and then there's like a curve ball. Not that I'm gonna, you know, if someone gives me a bad review because they see an em dash as a sign that I wrote my book with AI, even though I didn't, then

Cassie Newell (09:18)
haha

Angela Haas (09:19)
I mean,

there's not much you can do, but I I did a little research on this. I'm still doing researching on Amazon, but I know that Goodreads, if the reviews seem...

Cassie Newell (09:20)
Right.

Angela Haas (09:30)
not purposeful or just like trolling, they will take them down because of the person that blew up about she was so callous about killing the dog, the dog post on Threads And for those of you who don't know, we're not going into that, but there was a writer who she hadn't even published her first book and she was like,

Cassie Newell (09:33)
Mean. Yeah.

Mm-hmm, yeah.

Angela Haas (09:53)
saying that she not only did she just kill a dog, also, you know, shaming dog owners for thinking that their dogs are more feel like more children than pets, which I were not here to analyze that. But a rule of thumb is not shaming any of your readers, regardless of your opinion. Right. Right. Right.

Cassie Newell (10:01)
children. Yeah.

Right well know who your readers are right and really define it to a specificity but also don't

alienate everyone else around it.

Angela Haas (10:19)
Well,

not before your debut novel comes out. Not a good idea. Like dog people especially, and I'm a crazy dog person. like, but what was happening, which I don't agree with is that people were taking to her page and giving her one star reviews based on what she said, not the book, because the book had not even come out yet. And Goodreads took those down. So I think there's a way to report a review on Amazon. If someone's just accusing you of something,

Cassie Newell (10:22)
Yeah, that's crazy.

Yeah.

Angela Haas (10:47)
You probably, I don't know if they will follow through, but you could report it. But, you know, or just let it go. There's not much you can control. And that's like the first thing we have to understand about this industry. And flowing through the changes, although I admit, you know, I get discouraged from the marketing sense. Like I remember going through all these Facebook ad courses. spent money.

Cassie Newell (10:51)
Yeah.

Right.

Yeah.

Angela Haas (11:15)
on these Facebook ad courses and then Facebook like six months later changed their process and then changed things again. And then you have to relearn but then when I went back to find, well how can I do research on how to do this again, the classes haven't caught up. And now I'm like, my gosh, when you master something, it boom, it can change. And I think as long as you're prepared for that, which I wasn't when I first started.

Cassie Newell (11:33)
Yeah, that's like that.

Yeah.

Angela Haas (11:41)
I think that can be a factor in why people just like, can't keep up.

Cassie Newell (11:45)
Yeah, post, what is it? Post publication burnout, I think is what I labeled it. Yeah, that's what it is, right? Because you're go, go, go, you're learning and then things are changing and it's that flexibility piece. I also think too, and this is a hard thing to hear. I'm going to say this to people that are starting or even their first several books is you're still learning up until like book five.

Angela Haas (11:48)
Ooh, yeah.

Cassie Newell (12:10)
Nobody, I'm sure nobody wants to hear that from me, but you really are. And you're also still filling in if you're in the right genre, if you have the right voice, you're figuring it out and you're finding it. It's interesting because I have my books that are currently being narrated. Well, at this point they're narrated and I have verbiage in every book.

Or should a musta. I was like, my God, I have a little tick. I was listening to them and I'm like, I said that last book, you know, I mean, but that's part of my voice, you know, these certain things that kind of come out. And I find it interesting that I didn't have that in the very beginning, but I'm in a stride now. So I feel like you, you also evolve as a writer, right? So.

Angela Haas (12:36)
Mm-hmm.

Cassie Newell (12:58)
It's really you learning your process because nobody sits you down and you don't take a questionnaire and it says, let me take this quiz and find out what genre writer you will be and where you will be the most successful, joyful and happy. There's no such thing. You've got to test it. You've got to try it and you got to love it. And that takes time because books are not a quick thing to write, even short. That is not a

Angela Haas (13:05)
Mm hmm.

Cassie Newell (13:26)
fast thing to do that you're going to find out in six months, right? So it's really tough. And I think that post-production burnout is a real thing, right? I do.

Angela Haas (13:30)
Right. Yeah, well, and

I also think because I didn't, I was just writing my first two books from what I liked, you know, but as time went on, I realized they were harder to market.

Cassie Newell (13:45)
Yeah!

Angela Haas (13:49)
They didn't fit neatly into one category because they're superhero fiction and there isn't really any strong category just for superhero fiction. It either needs to fit into sci-fi or fantasy. So it was a little bit of a struggle. Yeah, those each of those, the reader expectation, know, true sci-fi readers wants people on spaceships having alien encounters or military battles. And that's not what was happening with mine.

Cassie Newell (14:03)
And both of those are tough.

Angela Haas (14:17)
Fantasy readers want a lot of magic systems and you know, there's sci-fi fantasy, but even that is not a clear-cut category that's offered when you're doing promotions or marketing. So then I started writing romance, which is so much easier for me to write and to market. And painfully, I had to put my... Yes, I do like writing characters. It's all...

Cassie Newell (14:37)
because you're so good at writing characters and emotion though.

Angela Haas (14:43)
Yeah, that's everything. And thank you. But I was like, well, what do I do with these first two books? And I had to make kind of the painful decision that those are my more of a passion project. And for my business, I need to keep writing things that might generate an income and then go back to the passion project. But I wanted to kind of quit after book one, too, because I was like, this doesn't fit anywhere. But it's me and I love it. And I worked so hard on it.

Cassie Newell (14:44)
Yeah.

Angela Haas (15:11)
and it's something that I would want to read, but it doesn't go anywhere. And I think if you've started that way and you're not picking something that's as easily written to market or marketable, that can cause some discouragement. But hey, I'm just going to come back to it. I'm going to come back to it when I've got a few romances out there and I'm going to relaunch it. And that's how you still, like we said, you've got to make your own way.

and just figure out how you're carving your own path and still find that joy. I love writing more than anything. So I do a little marketing each week and a lot of writing and that's what brings me joy. So yeah, I mean, but that's what they don't tell you.

Cassie Newell (15:49)
Yeah.

Yeah, they don't tell you, right? And you don't learn

it until you've been in the trenches a little bit, right? I think everybody goes through that second book slump. You usually underestimate your time commitment. You underestimate the success that you really want and expect from book one. And that's always a harsh reality too. ⁓ And, know, Godspeed if you are killing it out there on book one.

Angela Haas (15:59)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. yeah.

Cassie Newell (16:19)
your rarity. It's it's usually not that way. So ⁓ anyway, yeah, it's it's really tough. I think a lot of people it's a pretty common struggle. And what is it I think they say, you know, there's some people that'll say it's your 10th book, that you'll start to find success and get your Yeah, and then somebody will say it's the 10th series. And I'm like, Lord, help me if I'm still in the gutter and produce intense series at that point.

Angela Haas (16:22)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Right. Oh, it's six, 10, 12. Yeah. Yeah.

Right, yeah. Right, so you're already there, see? I had to deal with a lot of, imposter syndrome the whole time. I mean, I do. But it was really when I went to my first conference and I had only published one book and...

Cassie Newell (16:47)
But I'll let you know, because I'm starting book 10. So here we go.

Angela Haas (17:02)
they're like, what do you write? I've written one sci-fi superhero fantasy. And then you're kind of surrounded by people who are like, I'm on my hundredth and twentieth book. I'm just, well, I'm just saying for this is what may contribute to people quitting because you might get discouraged as far as like, will I ever be there? And I know I had that thought. And I think talking to some of the friends that I know, they just

Cassie Newell (17:15)
Yeah, but

⁓ yeah.

Angela Haas (17:30)
got discouraged thinking I worked so hard on one, will I ever make it to, thinking of like the work in front of them to get to 20 and 30 and some of those, you start comparing yourself to those kinds of authors and every author's situation is different. So try not to compare yourself to other people. That's what the moral of what I was trying to say was because that can get you discouraged really quick, you know, when you're trying to align yourself that way.

Cassie Newell (17:36)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, yeah,

and as you're learning, book one is the struggle, right? Book two may be a struggle, but it's going to be a different type of struggle, but you're going to speed up other things, right? And it's that whole learning process. Then book three gets a little easier. Book four, I can tell you for me in my shorts, book three and four were much easier for me. So, know, and...

Angela Haas (18:02)
Right.

Mm-hmm.

Cassie Newell (18:21)
I mean, it's a little different to when you start new series to the second series. Sometimes you're like, hold on, but I've got this. The first one you're like, wait a minute. You know, but

Angela Haas (18:29)
Yeah. Right? ⁓

Cassie Newell (18:31)
it's all that momentum. It's experience that lends it. But it's really hard for people to see that creatively because it takes so

Angela Haas (18:39)
I know. What would you say to people who are struggling to finish their first book? Who might be struggling with stage fright, rewriting and rewriting and revising and what is the message? Because I know a few people that are stuck in book one.

Cassie Newell (18:57)
Yeah, well,

sometimes you can't see the forest for the trees, right? So usually it's time to step back and figure out why you're not finishing. Is it you? Is it plot? Is it character? Those are three different things, right? And if it's you mentally blocking yourself, because I totally believe in mindset, that's something you can work on, right?

in a lot of different ways. it's really hard in a generalized question as to why you're not finishing something because I don't know the person. So it's always a conversation. But I think you have to have that internally why you're stopping. Are you pantsing along and you doing it a little aimlessly? Then maybe you need to plot out some things. And that's OK. You can deviate from a plot. You don't have to be a plotter if you're like, no.

Angela Haas (19:28)
Yeah.

Cassie Newell (19:45)
I don't want to plot or whatever it is, but

Angela Haas (19:49)
Yeah.

Cassie Newell (19:49)
at some point you have to step back from the story and decide, it just because you're exhausted and there's no time for it and it's you? Then take a break. It'll always be there. Is it something that your character's doing and you're struggling and you're rewriting the same chapters 15 times? Well, then you need to diagnose that and move on or go to a totally different scene.

skip it for a while. know, I

mean, me as a coach, that's what I would say to to someone that I didn't know I would try to diagnose where it's coming from. Yeah.

Angela Haas (20:24)
Yeah, I think

when I was feeling that way because I had a coach who had to talk me off a ledge and she just said, you've got to just let this go at this point. You've had, it's been through so many rounds of editing. You've read it so many times and the endless edit because I was changing things that

Cassie Newell (20:36)
⁓ the endless edit.

Angela Haas (20:41)
You know, I would think of something and I'd be like, you know what? should have my character do this and explain this. I shouldn't have them going this way. And after a while I was changing things that probably no one was going to even notice. And what I used to tell my speech students is don't get so caught up in feeling like your speech has to be perfect. Even if you mess up or forgot something, authors, if you forgot to put something in or mess up or whatever.

if you think you've messed up because your audience doesn't know what's coming next. You do, but your audience does not. Get it out there. Let the reader read it. They're going to have, you know, an enjoyable experience anyway. And we also, as readers, we don't remember and catalog every single word we've read. I even get to the end and I have to go back sometimes and be like,

Oh yeah, this happened in the beginning. We're reading and we're enjoying, but then we put the book down and we go on with our lives. No one's like, oh gosh, this book, you know, I wish this, no one's picking apart like you are is the bottom line. Let it go. And then you're going to get feedback as you're writing the next books, that you could either republish that book in a second edition if there's something glaring or

Cassie Newell (21:39)
Right.

Yeah.

Angela Haas (21:55)
Just keep going and let it be your book one, which everyone's book one is not the greatest, right? But it's out there and it's doing its thing and you've got to let it go. And then after you let it go, even if you don't get good reviews or good sales right away, keep going. Just keep going. Keep swimming, right? Yeah.

Cassie Newell (22:01)
Exactly.

Yeah, if that's your goal, I think you

also have to come to terms with, What are your passion projects versus what projects that you're pushing from success, a commercial standpoint, because like,

Angela Haas (22:29)
Mm-hmm.

Cassie Newell (22:30)
I have a poetry book, it total passion project, right? And I knew that it did pretty good. More than met my expectations, I was just happy to get it out. So, you you have to decide those things, you have to decide your why you have to decide your goals. Because if you don't do that, then you're you will end up disappointed. Because you'll shoot for the highest goal at somebody else's chapter 20.

Angela Haas (22:45)
Yeah. Yes, absolutely.

Cassie Newell (22:54)
of a huge career that you're trying to emulate. And they didn't start out there either. So, you know, yeah.

Angela Haas (22:57)
Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yep. And

you've got to understand that a lot of people don't make it to publishing anything. They have dreams and they have goals, but they actually don't ever get to follow through for one reason or another. And life gets in the way of everything sometimes for us, know, work, just other adult responsibilities that sometimes we have to take care of before we can nurture our dreams.

So if you've actually made it through editing, cover, and all the things and you hit published, it's not gonna be perfect, but it's out there and you did it. And sometimes I feel like, because we get so wrapped up in like, well, it's not selling or it's not doing this or I don't have reviews. It's like, calm that part of your mind and understand you pass through the gates. You pass through the gates that so many people don't and that's already winning.

So if your goal is to publish and write more, keep going. Don't get discouraged. You got this. Like that's, that's really what I wanted to tell our listeners today. If anyone's feeling discouraged, we've all felt that way at some point, but if, if this is what you want to do in your career, if this is your goal to keep going, then keep going. Don't, you know, you're doing it and you're doing great. Okay. Listeners.

Cassie Newell (24:09)
Yeah.

Yeah, give yourself a break.

A little latitude, a little grace.

Angela Haas (24:15)
Yes. Yeah,

grace. Grace. well, yeah. And I think for June, I'm excited because we're going to talk to audiobook narrators. We're going to talk to an author who's doing hockey romance, which I've got to be honest, I'm just blown away by all the hockey romances and the people that can do that. can't, I'm just like, what?

Cassie Newell (24:19)
It's not an easy place to be.

I devour them.

Angela Haas (24:37)
So I'm excited about that. then just, yeah, June's just gonna be some fun, hot topics. But ⁓ what are your personal updates? What's going on with you?

Cassie Newell (24:37)
I love them.

Yeah.

So my audio books are done being recorded. So now they're being produced. And the first book, the ALCs go out this week. So for Buttercream and Second Beginnings. And then I'm starting on the next series in the same town. So it will be the Holiday Matchmaker. I'm super excited about that. And my super secret project, I'm going to let listeners know I'm sending out my first query. It's being submitted.

Angela Haas (24:58)
Nice.

Cassie Newell (25:16)
submitted. So we'll see!

Angela Haas (25:16)
That's amazing. That's so great.

That's awesome. I don't have too much. I've got audio book in production still with my plus one equals you. I started TikTok. Yeah, I'm out there. I don't know. We'll see. It's very slow. So

Cassie Newell (25:22)
Yeah.

You dead?

Awesome.

You have to friend me now.

Angela Haas (25:38)
That's kind of the biggest one. And when I'm just trying to decide what to write next, maybe I'll have some listeners or my newsletter weigh in on that, but you know what's happening now, don't you? It's a table topic. my gosh, okay. This is a good one. Hot topics, it's perfect. What's your favorite raunchy movie?

Cassie Newell (25:55)
my gosh.

raunchy like raunchy how Like gore raunchy or like sexual raunchy like what kind of old school

Angela Haas (26:00)
no, like old school, like those raunchy

gross movies, gross out guy movies.

Cassie Newell (26:08)
I don't know that I have like a run I don't consider them raunchy but hmm

I don't know. Do you have one?

Angela Haas (26:15)
Ha!

Cassie Newell (26:15)
Fast Times at Ridgemont High? I don't know! It's not my favorite movie though, but it's raunchy.

Angela Haas (26:16)
Thanks.

say. So like, I think old school, that's a raunchy movie. But I... yes.

Cassie Newell (26:23)
Yeah.

the movie old school.

I got you with Will Ferrell and yeah, okay.

Angela Haas (26:30)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Or I think Bridesmaids is a raunchy movie. I didn't like that one. When she's pooping in the sink, I'm like, I'm out. She's pooping in the sink and I'm like, I gotta go. Gotta go. I can't.

Cassie Newell (26:35)
hilarious. you didn't at all?

I thought that was hilarious. ⁓

Angela Haas (26:46)
I just am

like, ladies, no. I'm weird. Anyway, but I do love, I love Step Brothers and like those. I love Step Brothers. It's not as raunchy as some of the other ones, but that's the one I like. So I like the those Buddy movies anyway. just.

Cassie Newell (26:54)
Yeah.

Gosh.

Yeah,

I can't think of any like super, I don't know. My tastes are very eclectic. I'm all over the place when it comes to movies. Sometimes I love the silly ones and then other times I'm like, no, I can't handle that. And then like my daughters still love animation. Well, and one is studying animation. But I get to a point where I'm like, I cannot watch animation. Like I need real people. So I don't know. And then I love

Angela Haas (27:19)
Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Cassie Newell (27:29)
like Hallmark movies, I have time for that. And then my husband will be like, no, none of that. So I go all over the place and I love sci-fi and fantasy. That's always a go-to for me. So I don't know. can't, nothing's coming to my brain.

Angela Haas (27:36)
Yeah.

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And next week, I'm so excited. That was a fun episode. We are talking with audiobook narrators, Jonathan Ricardo and Ashley Gatti who are stopping by to talk all about audiobooks. Until then, keep writing, keep doing, and we'll see ya.